As a gesture of goodwill, since we have had a little argument about even including kickers already and the vote was 50:50, I suggest we lessen the possible contribution of kickers each week.
I think something where kickers make 1 point for point-afters, 1 point for kicks 30 and under, 2 points for 30 to fifty, and 3 points for kicks over fifty would be a more reasonable scoring system.
Currently, the scoring is:
1 Point for PAT
3 Points for 0-40 yards
4 Points for 40-50
and 5 Points for >50
Please vote on the change.
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Aye.
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ReplyDeleteNay.
ReplyDelete...meaning I vote against any changes to the current scoring system for kickers.
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ReplyDeleteNay...keep it how it is. Let's not change for the sake of change.
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ReplyDeleteInteresting that the final 2 votes will be coming from the 2 league members who possess the highest ranked kickers according to yahoo - Gostkowski and Hartley.
ReplyDeleteI change my vote to Nay.... It is too close to the season and after the draft...poor time to make this type of change. I apologize for asking scott to post the ballot.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone actually look at the rankings for kickers? I just chose the guy off the team I wanted to watch the most.
ReplyDeleteI guess it's possible someone may change their vote (and I don't want to call this thing early), but it looks like that's 5 votes to keep the current keeper settings. Even if Everett and Jimmy vote for change, it looks like the nays have it.
ReplyDeleteLong live the kickers.
I also challenge Brandon to give any kind of credible reason for voting nay. Change for the sake of change is when you rearrange your living room furniture. This is an attempt to lessen the impact kickers have on the outcome of games. It's ridiculous that kickers get at least three points for any field goal. If that's the case then QBs should get 6 points for touchdowns.
ReplyDeleteTaylor, under your proposed change, if QBs get 6 points for touchdowns, does that mean that the players on the receiving ends of those touchdown passes get zero? Also, under your proposed change, would players get points for yardage anymore?
ReplyDeleteI guess what I'm trying to say is, if you want to go this way, we can go this way.
Also, if you are requiring explanations for votes, here's mine. I don't like the scoring arrangement for kickers that Scott proposed. 1 point for an extra point and 1 point for a 30-yard field goal? That's silly to me. (And, yes, I realize that an extra point is essentially a 17- to 19-yard field goal.) Furthermore, I like the system we have in place. I think it's worked pretty well. And while it's not my personal take on the issue, I can see why someone might not be in favor of making a change such as this one after the draft.
I don't think I made a proposed change in my comment. I think I said it's ridiculous that kickers get three plus points for any field goal, just as it would be ridiculous to give QBs 6 points for touchdowns.
ReplyDeleteI'm also not requiring explanations, as I didn't ask anyone else for one. Just if you attempt to give an explanation, at least let it make sense.
I would be more amenable to 2 points for 50 and under, and 3 points for over fifty. I am only hesitant because I picked Hartley with the assumption that kickers would not be neutered, but then again, I expect him to get the most PATs of just about any kicker anyway.
ReplyDeleteFirst off, I don't think we should be making changes less than 2 weeks before the season starts AFTER we drafted our teams. I for one did draft Rob Bironas based on the fact that he kicks a lot of field goals, he has a strong leg, and Jason's hair is influenced by him in some bizarre way.
ReplyDeleteAll kidding aside, why do we need to change anything? Was anyone unhappy with the way our games were last year? I can't remember specifics but I am sure I lost some games due to missed field goals or made field goals, however long the yardage was. My point is that's how the games go sometimes, you live with it.
We need more consistency in my opinion. I don't want to keep changing everything each season just to see how things play out. If it's not broken, don't fix it. I'm sorry for the rant here but I felt like I needed to defend Rob Bironas and the other kickers because they are important parts of each NFL team. That and I am also steaming from losing our staff's kickball championship game by one run last night.
By the way, last year Rob Bironas only finished with 6 less points than Minnesota's Defense...why don't we get rid of defenses too.
ReplyDeleteIt is broken. I lost a championship because Mason Crosby's field goal was blocked.
ReplyDeleteI think the point people have tried to make in regards to kickers is that they have too much of an effect on the scoring based on where we draft them. These are guys we don't even consider until Round 15, yet we have to play them every week and they can win or lose games for a team. I realize that's how real football works, but fantasy football isn't real football.
While I suppose it's true that fantasy football is not real football, one of the arguments I've heard people make as to why we should do away with kickers is because they aren't real football players. I get it that you don't like kickers, and they impacted your championship game, which they shouldn't have been able to do because fantasy football isn't real football and kickers aren't real football players. By the way, someone should probably tell the Patriots about kickers not being real football players because they signed Stephen Gostkowski to a pretty generous contract extension. I would imagine that there are a lot of real football players - some of whom populate are fantasy rosters - who wouldn't mind Gostkowski's fake football player salary.
ReplyDeleteMy point is - we can argue about kickers for the rest of the season (I encourage it,as I am addicted to the crazy dance), but it appears the league has spoken (twice, actually). Kickers rule, man. They are here to stay. Now, why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it?
"some of whom populate are fantasy rosters"
ReplyDeleteWhoa, Ben. I thought Steve taught us a grammar lesson on Sunday, but you just used "are" instead of "our." You've obviously lost it, and your credibility is forever destroyed. Fortunately, Brandon bailed you out earlier with his sensible (and readable) reasoning.
P.S. Disregard the mountains of grammar and spelling misgivings I've strewn across this fair blog. We're not talking about me.
P.S.S. Sometimes they talk about teams like Boise State playing in the WAC and defend Boise because you can only play the teams on your schedule. I, for one, will embrace the kicker revolution. It's happening, and it's undeniable. I may not agree with it, but those queers are here to stay.
P.S.S.S.S. Sod field football this Saturday will require extra points after TDs. I am in the process of building the uprights. If you miss the extra point, the TD doesn't count.
Clearly, for this year, kickers have won. I'm fine with that, and obviously their presence doesn't diminish the amount of fun we will have this season.
ReplyDeleteBUT, can I at least get a little sympathy for the level of frustration I reach when Brandon's comment is based on "if it's not broken, don't fix it," as if no one has made any arguments that the system is broken. I realize at least five in the league don't think the system is currently broken, but, and purely for the sake of my sanity, can Brandon at least explain why he thinks the system is not broken. So far, I've got "that's the way the game goes," "live with it," and "I am sure I lost some games due to missed field goals or made field goals."
Captain,
ReplyDeleteI read your P.S., but I just can't help myself. I mean, c'mon. "You're move, Calhoun." You are move, Calhoun? What?
And that's from your comment...in this post. Seriously? And that one didn't even take any digging. Captain, my passive-aggressive friend, I don't think you want to go this way.
Oh, and you're move, Captain.
I don't know what you're talking about, Admiral. You can't just make up comments that never happened. That's beneath you.
ReplyDeleteI think you mean, "I don't know what your talking about, Admiral." Kind of walked into that one, didn't you?
ReplyDeleteAnd no hard feelings if you just need to delete more of these comments.
ReplyDeleteThe system is not broken. Even though we play in a fantasy football league, our results are based on the outcomes of REAL games and REAL players. Therefore, I think kickers do have an important impact on the game and should also have an impact in our fantasy league.
ReplyDeleteHow many times did Adam Viniateri make a field goal to win the Patriots a Super Bowl? Didn't Garret Hartley make a big field goal to send the Saints to the Super Bowl? Similar to your Mason Crosby point, you could easily blame Brett Favre for making a dumb pass and giving the Saints the ball. Or why don't we blame the NFL for the way they set up overtime rules?
The fact that you argue our system is broken because Mason Crosby's field goal was blocked is a moot point. Think about it this way: why were you in that position to win a championship? If one of your RBs or WRs or whoever could have gotten 10 more yards or not dropped a pass or whatever, you wouldn't even be bringing Mason Crosby into the picture. Anyone at any point can be blamed for a loss based on those hypotheticals.
My point is that you can't blame losing games like that solely on a kicker missing a field goal or the other player's kicker making 5 field goals. I lost a game our first year because Brian Westbrook took a knee at the goal line. The system is not broken based solely on the way we utilize kickers. They determine the outcome of games in real life and they should also have that right to do so in fantasy. And really, how many games have they actually helped determined the direct outcome?
Like I pointed out in my previous post, we take defenses in the middle rounds and kickers can score as many fantasy points as them in a season. Maybe the question shouldn't be "why should a 15th round draft pick be determining the outcomes of games" but rather "why aren't we drafting kickers before the later rounds when they can give us an advantage in points".
Sorry to get all philosophical like that at the end. I am just passionate about kickers because I think they are getting a bad rap in our league when they shouldn't...now if you'll excuse me, I must get back to work and try to think about how mad I will be that I will not be playing football with you guys this weekend and instead watching our poor excuse of a team take on Western Carolina.
Good grammar, bad grammar, agreement, or opposition, It appears this Captain simply can't please the Admiral these days. I kind of think someone else is wearing the passive-aggressive hat today, though.
ReplyDeleteI believe the good doctor adequately defended his position. Hopefully we can let him get off the hot seat.
Captain,
ReplyDeleteYou may not like what I have to say, but I don't think I could be more direct. If anything, I can be too direct, too confrontational (this comment, for instance). Concerning your hat, I didn't think you could take it off.
Admiral
I think you could make that same argument about special teams, Brandon. Of course kickers determine the outcomes of real games, but so do penalties, special teams, etc.
ReplyDeleteOur point is that it doesn't seem like a proper proportion of value. Kickers have determined championships in our league, but we do not invest hardly any strategy or determination into the choices of who we take in each spot. We essentially just shoot for a kicker who is on a team that scores a lot of points. But it's completely unpredictable going into each week amongst the ten guys we have on high scoring teams.
I just thought of his idea, tell me what you think (obviously not for this year, but in the future). We lump Defense/Special Teams/Kicker together. We can still have two roster spots for Def/ST and Kicker, but you have to play the kicker from the defense you play that week.
What is the logic behind this idea? (For the record, I'm not sure I see the logic in combining defense and special teams.) How would requiring teams to start a kicker and defense/special teams from the same team make kickers more palatable from your perspective?
ReplyDeleteI thought Defense and Special Teams were already combined. If my "Defense" (but really special teams) blocks kicks, I get points. If my Defense blocks a punt and recovers it in the endzone, I get a lot of points.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if it makes kickers more palatable, but I think it forces people to strategize in their "Defense" drafting, and weekly plays because you also have to factor in the kicker you get with that Def.
* I also lost points on my Defense for a DeSean Jackson fumble when he was returning a punt.
ReplyDeleteSo Defense and Special Teams are already intertwined in our scoring system. I also know originally we had planned on having return TDs count towards our Defense, but somehow the scoring system wasn't set up properly (costing me a game), and I'm not sure if how those count at this point (I haven't had a return td since that first year).
Special Teams and Defense are combined. I was just pointing out that I'm not sure I understand why.
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming its so that everything happening in a game is relevant to fantasy scoring. I know there are some leagues that do this by rewarding yardage and scores individually to receivers and running backs who are mainly return guys, and people like Josh Cribbs, Leon Washington become top ten receivers. I think this is the less perverted and disgusting version to achieve a similar thing.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, can we start a Darren Sproles for Returner movement in San Diego? They try their hardest to keep that speedster off the field.